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Pope asks God 'why'? [May. 28th, 2006|06:59 pm]
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Perhaps it's the ex-Catholic in me that (or once a Catholic always one as my now Zen Buddhist Dad says)
had me snort outloud when I read the about Why Did God allow the Holocaust?

[User Picture]From: hkoneko
2006-05-29 12:20 am (UTC)
Pope should know that God is not supposed to meddle in human affairs, according to the principle of freedom in Christian dogma (which I think prevails for all Abrahamic religions, somehow).
According to Abrahamic religions (Christianity being one of them) us humans lost the right to Eden. Bad things ARE supposed to happen; and it's not God's fault, but humanity's fault.

Of course, other religions have different views on this topic, which makes the study of the diverse religions in the world so fascinating.

I haven't read the article, though. And I don't think I'd like to go into some sort of theologic discussion, but haha... I'm always amused by such claims of "God should have stopped this or that", which is the easy shortcut to avoiding responsibility. The correct statement should be "We, humans, should have never done this or that" or "Why did we, humans, allow this to happen?"

In my mind, such claims of God allowing this or that are the same as saying "the voices in my head made me do it".
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[User Picture]From: doap
2006-05-29 04:18 pm (UTC)
"the voices in my head made me do it" haha*

you're right, we are the ones to blame and we won't improve until we feel responsible for our history ^^

i've read the article, Pope said "why did you remain silent?", and it's strange he says this. i've always been told that the Bible is like God's voice... telling us what's wrong and what's right anytime, wherever we are. so God cannot be silent as long as there's a Bible somewhere.... maybe i got it all wrong for years? o_0

C Céline
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[User Picture]From: sedefendendo
2006-05-29 12:22 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: seraphimsigrist
2006-05-29 02:48 am (UTC)
I do not perhaps have a subtle enough mind
to follow the thought(I do not really follow
that of the first respondant above but I
will not try really, it is you who are my
lj friend) ...but what do you
find unsatisfactory in the Pope's words...?
all we have to speak with you know is words...
'I have to use words when I talk to you' as
the poet said...in using words we expose
ourselves to ridicule certainly at every turn
if someone wishes to ridicule...but in this
case why the ridicule?
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[User Picture]From: nepenthes59
2006-05-29 03:10 am (UTC)
Perhaps my first reaction was too hastily made, as I was left feeling that Why, Lord, did you remain silent? should have been Why did we remain silent?.
Allowing myself to be swayed by a flashy headline is probably not in my best interest.

While the Pope can't change the past, hopefully he'll take every advantage to speak out for those in need today.

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[User Picture]From: seraphimsigrist
2006-05-29 03:24 am (UTC)
ah, I thought that might be it...
I do not think defining need and what
one can do for it is as simple as perhaps
your words here, but they are hasty as are
mine so it is not hold you to them, suggest...
perhaps the record of Catholcs and Christians
in the past is not as bad as you think ...
"the Church a failure only by its own
stnadards" as Paul Johnson puts it in Modern
Times...but it is a large subject,and nothing
much rides on that as to this discussion,
and as to
issues now again I do not think a parituclar
set of ennunciated politcial attitudes will
much dry the tears in things...
sam beckett author closer to wisdom when he
says the salt sea of tears is always at the
same level one stops crying another begins
so too with laughter(paraphrase from memory)

prayer of Good Friday as to we strange bipeds
"behold thy family for which thou wast pleassed
to die"

for myself I think the Pope's words are human
honest and simple....
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[User Picture]From: seraphimsigrist
2006-05-29 03:38 am (UTC)

to one side

you see, and perhaps I am too serious
and engaging you a stranger in a conversation
which is not useful or welcome, but as to the
why? it goes beyond auschwitz or this or that
to the whole terrible and in a sense irreperable
fragility of humanity, all go out into the dark...
the rich the poor, the wise and the foolish...
and all carry that vertigo within themselves
the knowledge that life is as the ramayana says
past in a blink like going to a well for
water and returning...nor would mere chronolgical
extension of lifespan heal the emptiness...
one senses perhaps that the answer is at the point
where our destiny joins that of God, gods and men
live each others lives die each others death said
Heraclitus...it is not a choice between asking oneself
why and asking God why finally, the query to oneself
in its depth is a query to God and etc
I have written too much excuse the length delete
if you wish.
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[User Picture]From: nepenthes59
2006-05-29 03:46 pm (UTC)

Re: to one side

Your comments and observations are always welcome here, thank you so much for sharing your insights!

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[User Picture]From: seraphimsigrist
2006-05-29 04:10 pm (UTC)

thank you too for your graciousness

and thank you for being a
thoughtful gracious host even
when some guy ,me,starts being
a bore!
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