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I believe in PC - Public Courtesy [Dec. 3rd, 2004|09:42 pm]
nepenthes59
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First off, major hugs & good thoughts off to mitsuchan



So many posts in fandom related communites are overly spazzy & annoying, so when someone posts something insightful - and in my view HELPFUL to a group(s) that supposedly Adores their favorite Japanese singers - I'm a bit saddened by the response to faithfulmoder 's post about the overuse of the term Engrish . I understand that people thought their use of it had a rather 'cute' connotation, but when the people you supposedly idolize would probably be totally offended by the term - Wouldn't it make sense to think more prudently about using it then to cry that people are too sensitive? To me , it's like someone saying "Hey! Ouch, you are stepping on my foot & it hurts!" & me just insisting "No, it doesn't, I don't feel anything"

Personally, if I use some expression and someone tells me that how I'm using it is hurtful to them, I wouldn't try and defend my right to use it - I would try to understand why, and learn language that is not offensive - Especially if I claimed to like them>>~~~~~~>>>> ahhhh falls off my soapbox


I think my Posterbooks may be here postal delivery attempt notice in my mail~ *8900 yen for shipping* I still feel awful about this
stupid ordering mistake that created work for Hazuki - and learning in
an email where SHE APOLOGIZES for not sending them off because her kitty
ate poisoned food and her other cat was injured - so she has to take them
to the hospital all week.. Please keep a prayerful kitty/cat thought
for Pero & Ciel ~

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[User Picture]From: lirimaer
2004-12-04 04:56 am (UTC)
You know, the whole thing (which I can gladly say I've only seen second hand) reminds me very much of the childhood rhyme; "sticks and stone will break my bones but names will never hurt me" - where in this case, the individual with the complaint has forgotten this. You've got to see how the word is used in context. I mean, seriously. It's not bad all the time nor is it good all the time. It doesn't always have a bad connotation.

Hell, I could make "twinkie" into a bad word, if I wanted to. Things need to be taken with a grain of salt and words can't be taken too seriously.

Another word with the same issue so to speak? "Gay." If there's nothing around it, it could be taken completely different ways by everyone who reads it.


So, pretty much, yeah, I think the person is over-reacting just a little. Mind, so are some of the people on the other side, too.

Let's just say if that had popped up in any of my communities, I'd have just deleted it as TROLLING.
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[User Picture]From: crimson_fantasy
2004-12-04 04:58 am (UTC)
I find it strange, because it does not offend me and I don't know if it should? I have not been around it in the negative sense but I do see why they say it can be negative. I don't like to get involved with things like that because it seems both sides attack each other and I don't like to get into arguments (especially with people I do not know). I guess that is why I don't usually voice my opinion very much, because I don't want to offend someone with how I feel about something. ^-^

But on a lighter note, I hope you don't mind if I ask Kiana for your address to send you a Christmas card for the holidays. Well, if you celebrate that of course. If you don't, I won't send one if you don't want me to! ^-^

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[User Picture]From: nepenthes59
2004-12-04 05:18 am (UTC)
Right after I posted my entry, I saw your post.. and I thought ackk~~ I hope
you don't think I'm addressing this at you... ^^;; 汗~! I see
the point that when you use the term engrish ANY time a Japanese person
uses English, it would come off as insulting (How Hyde's Roentgen-English
for example could even be considered in the realm of 'Engrish' is beyond
me.. )

^0^ a card would be lovely
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[User Picture]From: crimson_fantasy
2004-12-04 05:33 am (UTC)
Ah, don't worry! I didn't think you were addressing me. I know there are a lot of conflicting opinions about this matter that has been brought to the attention of quite a few. I personally do not use that word in my vocabulary and have not related it to anyone. But when I saw how it was viewed as negative it was rather surprising to me simply because I have not been around that. ^-^ ( 笑 ! ) I think Hyde has fine english, in my opinion.

Ok! Just thought I would ask!

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[User Picture]From: chikuqi
2004-12-04 05:43 am (UTC)
Ahh, well wishes to Hazuki's kitties =^.^=
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[User Picture]From: violetcloud
2004-12-04 08:46 am (UTC)
"Personally, if I use some expression and someone tells me that how I'm using it is hurtful to them, I wouldn't try and defend my right to use it - I would try to understand why, and learn language that is not offensive - Especially if I claimed to like them"


so true. and like i said in responce to faithfulmoder, i used to use it jokingly until i realized, 1, theyre trying to use our language and thats not something that should be laughed at because 2, i'm trying to learn their language and i wouldnt want them making fun of me about it. i think people should just look at how theyre using it. i mean, if youre replacing the word english with engrish when youre talking about a foreigner, thats probably not a nice way to use it.
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[User Picture]From: hydeist_wannabe
2004-12-04 08:58 am (UTC)
aww! :( *prays for the kitties* =^.^=

yay for getting your posterbooks though!

i dunno...i'm one of the people who jokingly uses 'engrish' in reference to japanese pronounciation...with the full knowledge that my japanese is royally terrible...never meaning in bad connotation, just in reference that i'm talking about some english word/phrase/etc that was mispronounced
...but eh, if it bothers some people then so be it...i can understand why it can me automatically taken as insulting, like how i dislike it when people say "that's so gay" as nutmeg pointed out that that's another word that can be connotative to either end depending on personal circumstances
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[User Picture]From: rabi
2004-12-05 04:39 am (UTC)
What about when said by a "gay bimbo bitch"?

Okay okay, i'm just kidding :)

Personally I have no opinion to this whole "Engl/rish" thing at all.
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[User Picture]From: hydeist_wannabe
2004-12-06 02:56 am (UTC)
why would you want to molest her? she's still a bitch...now if she were a cute goth chick or a girlyhyde lookalike...
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[User Picture]From: tavestry
2004-12-04 11:01 am (UTC)
*glomps*
As ALWAYS I love you!
That's a wonderful analogy and much better than mine.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for the kittens!
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From: talillama
2004-12-04 01:37 pm (UTC)
I really only use Engrish if I'm poking fun at something - generally myself! lol
I get really aggravated though when people make fun of "Hyde's Engrish" or "Gackt's Engrish". It is disrepectful, even if it's used in a "cute" way. They're trying their hardest, and whenever someone laughs at the way one ofthem (or anyone else) sings in English, I always say "Hey, you're probably no better when you sing in Japanese, you know."

But yeah.

*falls off soapbox with you* *licks your eyes because I LOVE YOUR PICTURE SPAM ESPECIALLY WHEN IT INCLUDES OLD STYLE LARUKU - specifically old style Tetsu*
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[User Picture]From: rabi
2004-12-05 04:34 am (UTC)
I know how stressful it is when a cat is sick. Smokey was 3 months ago and I spent $1500 on him to get him well. He's my baby.
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[User Picture]From: nepenthes59
2004-12-05 04:39 am (UTC)
=^.^= Is Smokey doing OK? I was so thinking about him when you were posting about that.. Our animals,... gosh they are ..are heart!
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[User Picture]From: rabi
2004-12-05 04:44 am (UTC)
He's fine now, he recovered pretty fast after I got him out of the hospital. I've also changed the litter box and food containers and EVERYTHING they use, just to make sure I start them out clean and new again, in case there was any bacteria or anything in the old stuff... Also I had to make very sure his diet food doesn't run out.
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