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[Sep. 16th, 2004|04:29 pm]
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I don't have anything against Trekkies - I even remember going to a Star Trek convention with my Dad when I was about 13 (he was trying to sell a painting .. NOBODY was interested, although they all bid on crap like Dr. Spoc on black velvet >.<)

But why in God's name would you devote actual time to learning a completely artificial language? I say learning any language is difficult (well at least it is for me)..but wouldn't you want to learn one that is.. err a real language?
http://klingon.dw-world.de/english/index.php

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[User Picture]From: bijuarukei
2004-09-16 04:46 pm (UTC)
Trekkies, LoTR nuts, Magic card and D&D players all belong to the same legion of geekdom that we, as D'ork~en~Ciels, can't understand. While our fandom is based on (more or less) real life, there's is based on an extremely far-fetched fantasy involving ugh... ugly things that speak spitty languages. Sure, Patrick Stewart is hot (IMHO), but I wouldn't get fan girly.

I'll stick with pretty boys who speak an actual language kthnx.
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[User Picture]From: lauraorganasolo
2004-09-18 01:20 am (UTC)
HEY. At least we don't fixate on the imaginary sex lives of real people!

...

well, some of us/them dont. XD

I'm gonna go back to my pile of Star Wars action figures and bookcase full of RPG books now. =P
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[User Picture]From: nekochancutecat
2004-09-16 04:56 pm (UTC)
I agree with the above--I'll stick to pretty boys who speak an actual language, as well~

Though... I've never really seen the appeal of learning an imaginary language. I mean, what's the point? You'd only be able to use it at cons and expos and people in your "normal" life will think that you're a freak. Sadly enough, that reminds me of how a teacher of mine made me write the classroom rules in Dwarvish and Elvish. But, hey~ 100 extra credit points. *sweatdrops*
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[User Picture]From: doihachan
2004-09-16 05:15 pm (UTC)
Hear about the McDonald's where workers know Klingon because there are Star Trek conventions there every year?

Eh, but it makes the geeks happy. *shrug* People could argue that it'd be more useful for me to learn Spanish because I live in Cali but I simply don't want to. I don't really see people speaking Klingon as very different from anime/j-music fans who want to learn Japanese; I don't have any noble cause for my language skills, I just want them for fun. ^^

I can't find a logical way to define a seperation between Japanese and Klingon as far as which one is "valid" as a language except for the fact that one is a national langage and one has ties in fiction... meh, languages are all made up by people anyway. :3

I did read an article about a parent who raised their child to only speak Klingon. Kid went to school and didn't know English. That's pretty messed up, but replace Klingon with any other non-English language and it remains as such...

I suddenly want to speak in Piglatin (sp?). XB
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[User Picture]From: nightflight
2004-09-16 05:27 pm (UTC)
I did read an article about a parent who raised their child to only speak Klingon. Kid went to school and didn't know English. That's pretty messed up, but replace Klingon with any other non-English language and it remains as such...

I'm randomly curious as to what they did to explain things to their child that weren't covered by the Klingon language due to not existing in the Klingon universe. Like, uh, toasters. Did they make up a term for them or...?

I am thinking far too hard about the unimportant part of this situation, sorry. ^_^;;

I'd absolutely love to read that article, if you ever randomly found it again. :D
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[User Picture]From: doihachan
2004-09-16 05:29 pm (UTC)
I'm curious too now, and don't know enough about the Klingon language (read: none) to question such a thing.

I'd love to read it again, so I'll let you know if I find it.
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[User Picture]From: doihachan
2004-09-16 05:43 pm (UTC)
It's not what I originally read (and actually reading this changes the situation) but here's one article:

http://www.ncbuy.com/news/2004-04-26/1009463.html

Here's a discussion that mentions it; I'm not too sure if they're even the same instance:
http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9701&L=anthro-l&F=&S=&P=24672
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[User Picture]From: nepenthes59
2004-09-16 05:31 pm (UTC)
I know there are huge similarities in our dorkity fandom & Trekkies.. but I think the VALID language is the keyword.

Too bad the 'creators' of that language didn't use some language that is real, but in peril of disappearing because the # of speakers are dying out. That would seem more useful..

I considered my studying Sign language & Japanese as 'hobbies' - (I didn't want to do anything noble either ) .. but I don't think I could have reached out to my Japanese & Deaf friends by trying to chat in Klingon..^.~
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[User Picture]From: doihachan
2004-09-16 05:41 pm (UTC)
Eh, but one of the definitions of a language is words, pronunciations, sounds (and the construction of them), etc., understood by a community. Klingon dictionaries and grammar books are published and sold. It may be spoken by a vast minority, but it's still a valid langage. To me there's really no difference between a new language and one that's dying out as chances are I won't be speaking either until inclined to do so.

Eh, in the end it's just communication; people never fail in creatively killing time anyway. I wish I could make up something that people would think was cool enough to actually use, language or not. I guess I'm a kind of advocate for the pursuit of... well, whatever just as long as it doesn't mess with my life. XD
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[User Picture]From: doihachan
2004-09-16 05:55 pm (UTC)
Ooh, that sounds pretty cool~ :o *Will search for the story*

It -is- silly, definitely. XD But silly is certainly a lot better to hear about than other words that rampantly make news stories and lj entries, like "hate crime," "death," and "hurricane."

*dance of dorkiness* X3;
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[User Picture]From: nepenthes59
2004-09-16 05:52 pm (UTC)
:edit: DOH! I should at least check my spelling when rambling about language. LOL

I agree with your point. In fact I just heard a news story today about Deaf children in Nicaragua who created their own sign language. (& they detailed the difference between what makes up a language, & what are just gestures.. There are records of siblings who invented their own language & they all seem to follow some innate human ability to create language)

I wander if Klingon speakers outnumber speakers of Esperanto?

I don't view languages as being inherently superior or inferior - I try not and take any type of ethnocentric view..
but this just strikes me as silly anyway.
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[User Picture]From: lirimaer
2004-09-16 05:39 pm (UTC)
>.> *knows some elvish, but only picked it up as a by-product of role-playing and fiction, thus my username...*

Personally, I think it's fun just to pick up a little bit, however there's no way I'm ever going to devote the time to becoming fluent, it's just silly. I'd rather learn something more practical.
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From: mrhydeisme
2004-09-16 06:27 pm (UTC)
i can't stand anyone else's fandoms except for my own.

isn't that the way it is supposed to work? because if i accepted their fandom as 'not a waste of time', then i would probably be a part of it, too.

does this make sense?
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[User Picture]From: nepenthes59
2004-09-16 06:32 pm (UTC)

you called me out ...I'm such a hypocrite XD

It's only that aspect of their fandom.. well actually - there are lots of things that happen in THIS fandom that I find an extreme waste of time, but since too many people I know do them *cough* I never mention it XD


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From: mrhydeisme
2004-09-16 07:17 pm (UTC)

Re: you called me out ...I'm such a hypocrite XD

there are lots of things that happen in THIS fandom that I find an extreme waste of time...

Fandom isn't as general as you make it -- I mean to say, I think you're confusing your own fandom with other people's fandom.

Fandom is really like a religion: we're all under the big "umbrella" organization, I agree, but we go about our worship in our own way. No one should be really concerned about everyone else's relationship is with God, or in this case, Hyde and Laruku. Really, I don't understand why people get pissed off so much about what others say or how they act.

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[User Picture]From: nepenthes59
2004-09-16 07:42 pm (UTC)

Re: you called me out ...I'm such a hypocrite XD

I hope my mumbling didn't get across as pissy or hating..as that wasn't my intent. I just think as 'fandoms' there are similarities -
You can't avoid seeing the similarities.


Just my opinion - that you would be better off learning something else..
Perhaps I just have a vision of 35 yr old bachelors living in their Mom's basement, while studying Klingon dictionaries. Hopefully - I'm wrong.




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[User Picture]From: hkoneko
2004-09-16 07:52 pm (UTC)
Oh, I thought you meant the waste of time was Hyde trying on weird hats.

Erh... about Klingon, I've seen that thing... it's been going on for a while and it kind of amuses me. I would never waste my time in such a way, but then again people usually waste time/money/etc. to fill a void in their lives.

In any case, I agree with you that it's stupid... but fandom rules are rarely applicable in real life. *shrug*

Live long and prosper. XDDD
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[User Picture]From: nepenthes59
2004-09-16 08:01 pm (UTC)
XDD...

I think I didn't make my point well before - it wasn't about the fandom nurdness as much.. as >.o ! well at least here in USA so few people really try to learn a foreign language, ...so it's sad when they choose that...

But perhaps I speak prematurely? Are most klingon speakers multi-lingual??

ahhahaha\

smack me
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[User Picture]From: hkoneko
2004-09-18 03:43 pm (UTC)
=P I bet most Klingon speakers can't even speak English well...
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[User Picture]From: braidedidiot
2004-09-16 09:49 pm (UTC)
*sigh*

Yup, I also agree with the above >.<

Yup, sticking with pretty boys, and trying (unsucessfully) to learn their language

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